Obviously I'm not an Investigative Journalist, but certain things start to make me wonder where I might get information about certain things.
Like for example:
1.) What is the costs of extended manpower in police law enforcement after 14 weeks?
2.) What is the cost of damages to businesses through vandalism?
3.) How much have businesses lost in revenue over the 14 weeks of protests/riots?
4.) What happens to the students tuition for the term the likely won't complete?
I started wondering at costs when this article from the National Post decried warnings to the Montreal Tourist Season due to protests: http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/23/montreal-tourist-season-at-risk-over-tuition-protests/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
This was also brought to attention by Brian Liley, who quoted a report from the Desjardin Bank that said if Quebec were it's own country it's Debt/GDP was listed as 5th among the world, right behind the European countries that are in economical crisis. http://blogs.canoe.ca/lilleyspad/category/byline/
Which means without federal transfer payments from more prosperous regions, Quebec would be force into an extreme form of fiscal austerity.
So when you break it all down, how much did this outrageous temper tantrum actually cost the taxpayers? Because you know the bill isn't being carried by the protesters/rioters, because even some of their leaders want their rent for free.
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120523/quebec-student-leader-promo-120523/
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Showing posts with label Quebec. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Quebec. Show all posts
Wednesday, May 23, 2012
Sunday, May 20, 2012
Beyond reason.
Have the Student protesters/rioters gone that step which breaches reason? I would have to say that the minute violence took place they gave up any credibility, and also lost the right they claim to protest (Charter of rights and freedoms 2(c) freedom of PEACEFUL assembly.)
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/charter/page-1.html#l_I:s_2
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2012/05/20120520-112205.html
Yet here we are, 14 weeks into a protest which I believe the student groups had no intention of mediating an end to, with progressively increasing violence and mayhem. I'm not sure what political end game some of the students may have had, but the obvious immediate tactic was to Govern without being elected through activism and mob thuggery. Policy is made by politicians, and in a civilized society if we don't like it we vote against them in the next election. What civilized people don't do is the "lord of the flies" scenario the Quebec currently sees itself in.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/11-injured-including-4-police-officers-as-quebec-student-protest-turns-violent/article2423712/
Why? I came across an article the other day where the police were lamenting the outcomes of the 2 decision they make in a riot situation: "It is frustrating because we have tried a passive approach and had it backfire, and we have tried to jump on it quickly and then be criticized."
It seems to me that of the only 2 options, you have to choose that which has the best result with the least damage. This would say take the criticism, and take control before things get out of hand. Police will always be criticized no matter what choice they make, because someone is always going to feel like they are the "victim" if they can't do what they want.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/18/police-struggling-to-cope-with-emboldened-riot-culture-in-canada/
Jean Charest no longer has any choice in the matter: if he backs down he sets the precedent for every activist group to stage ever increasingly violent protests to get the Government to capitulate to it's will. The students have pushed as hard as they can, now it's time to "grow a pair" and show them that they don't run the Province, and that you do. Newly minted laws may seem like a good idea, but with that you have to give the authorities room to take charge of the situation. I have even advocated for Martial Law, since the rioters seem to indignantly break even the most reasonable laws.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/editorials/charest-should-not-back-down/article2433870/
Time to teach these spoiled brats that they can't get anything they want by throwing a tantrum, and do what it takes to restore order to your streets.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/charter/page-1.html#l_I:s_2
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2012/05/20120520-112205.html
Yet here we are, 14 weeks into a protest which I believe the student groups had no intention of mediating an end to, with progressively increasing violence and mayhem. I'm not sure what political end game some of the students may have had, but the obvious immediate tactic was to Govern without being elected through activism and mob thuggery. Policy is made by politicians, and in a civilized society if we don't like it we vote against them in the next election. What civilized people don't do is the "lord of the flies" scenario the Quebec currently sees itself in.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/11-injured-including-4-police-officers-as-quebec-student-protest-turns-violent/article2423712/
Why? I came across an article the other day where the police were lamenting the outcomes of the 2 decision they make in a riot situation: "It is frustrating because we have tried a passive approach and had it backfire, and we have tried to jump on it quickly and then be criticized."
It seems to me that of the only 2 options, you have to choose that which has the best result with the least damage. This would say take the criticism, and take control before things get out of hand. Police will always be criticized no matter what choice they make, because someone is always going to feel like they are the "victim" if they can't do what they want.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/18/police-struggling-to-cope-with-emboldened-riot-culture-in-canada/
Jean Charest no longer has any choice in the matter: if he backs down he sets the precedent for every activist group to stage ever increasingly violent protests to get the Government to capitulate to it's will. The students have pushed as hard as they can, now it's time to "grow a pair" and show them that they don't run the Province, and that you do. Newly minted laws may seem like a good idea, but with that you have to give the authorities room to take charge of the situation. I have even advocated for Martial Law, since the rioters seem to indignantly break even the most reasonable laws.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/editorials/charest-should-not-back-down/article2433870/
Time to teach these spoiled brats that they can't get anything they want by throwing a tantrum, and do what it takes to restore order to your streets.
Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Quebec student "strike".
The ongoing saga of the Quebec student initiative to stop the minor increase ($325/annum) in tuition rates, as set to come into place by the Charest Provincial Government, is starting to come to an uncomfortable conclusion as the term wraps up.
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20120417/quebec-student-tuition-protests-120417/
If the students protesting the hike don't finish their assignments, and write the final exams, they may end up losing the terms credits. Some institutions are extending the term to try to help accommodate the students in their fight.
There are numerous issues I have with the situation, and none of them are with the increase:
1. The need for an increase in tuition is inevitable, to compete properly you need good teachers, equipment, and facilities, all of which have incurred cost increases.
2. The students are customers of the service provided by the institution, and in future will benefit by the knowledge they should be willing to pay for now.
3. The same students protesting at the end of this term, may lose all the money they just spent on it to make their point. I equated this on twitter today like "Holding their collective breath till they fail out", the same way children throw a temper tantrum.
4. Quebec will still have the LOWEST tuition rates in ALL of Canada, which is now being subsidized by federal transfers, in effect having the productive portions of Canada paying for their cheap costs.
5. The "Strike" has been alienating those very taxpayers that help fund low tuition within Quebec, who are suffering from loss of revenue due to obstruction and vandalism.
6. The "Strikers" have alienated the rest of Canada by showing us an unprecedented level of entitlement that could have only come from Quebec.
Just to name a few.
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20120417/quebec-student-tuition-protests-120417/
If the students protesting the hike don't finish their assignments, and write the final exams, they may end up losing the terms credits. Some institutions are extending the term to try to help accommodate the students in their fight.
There are numerous issues I have with the situation, and none of them are with the increase:
1. The need for an increase in tuition is inevitable, to compete properly you need good teachers, equipment, and facilities, all of which have incurred cost increases.
2. The students are customers of the service provided by the institution, and in future will benefit by the knowledge they should be willing to pay for now.
3. The same students protesting at the end of this term, may lose all the money they just spent on it to make their point. I equated this on twitter today like "Holding their collective breath till they fail out", the same way children throw a temper tantrum.
4. Quebec will still have the LOWEST tuition rates in ALL of Canada, which is now being subsidized by federal transfers, in effect having the productive portions of Canada paying for their cheap costs.
5. The "Strike" has been alienating those very taxpayers that help fund low tuition within Quebec, who are suffering from loss of revenue due to obstruction and vandalism.
6. The "Strikers" have alienated the rest of Canada by showing us an unprecedented level of entitlement that could have only come from Quebec.
Just to name a few.
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